vad säger profeten om vinäger?

Från: Umm_Amatillaah (Ursprungligt meddelande) Skickat: 2007-12-10 18:55
Assalaamu alaykunna wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh

Det talas om vinäger i senapstråden så jag tänkte öppna en ny tråd som tar upp det för att det senare ska bli enklare att hitta tillbaks till den bi'idhnillaah. Jag fann dessa ahaadeeth gällande det.


Dygden av vinäger: Jaabir (radhiyallaahu 'anh) reported that the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: “What a good food is vinegar.” (Saheeh Muslim, 2052)
Generellt så görs vin om till vinäger av sig själv, och hadeethen ovanför visar att vinäger är halaal i sig. Men det har kommit ahaadeeth om att medvetet framställa vin till vinäger

Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) was asked whether wine could be changed to be used as vinegar. He said, ‘No.’” (Saheeh Muslim).

Abu Talhah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) was asked about some orphans who had inherited some wine. He said, “Pour it away.” He was asked, “Could they not make it into vinegar?” He said, “No.” (Saheeh Muslim).

I boken al-Mughnee (8/330) av ibn Qudaamah står det följande: It is permitted for a Muslim to buy vinegar from someone who is selling it, unless he realizes or comes to know that it was produced by means of a deliberate process. ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “… There is nothing wrong with a man buying vinegar from the people of the Book, if they sell it, so long as he knows that they did not deliberately process it from wine.”

Den stående kommitén i Saudiarabien (lajnatud daa'imah i 13/47) gav följande fatwaa: It was reported that the Messenger of Allaah(sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a small amount of it is haraam.” (Narrated by Ahmad in al-Musnad, 2/91, 167, 179; 3/343). If the vinegar would cause intoxication in large amounts, then a little of it is haraam, and it comes under the same ruling as wine. If a large amount of it does not cause intoxication, then there is no reason not to sell it, buy it or drink it.


Om jag hinner kan jag försöka kolla i några böcker efter 'ulamas aqwaal (uttalande om det) bi'idhnillaah, men det som står ovan är en bra början inshaa Allaah.
Wassalaam

Umm Daawood Nadiyah al-Jabartiyyah

Från: K_Nadia Skickat: 2007-12-10 19:11
Walekum asalaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh

BarakAllahu fiki ya ukhti för din hjälp.

Jag ville veta om vitvinsvinäger/röd vinsvinäger. Det finns i butiker olika sorters vinäger. Jag räkade köpa en gång vitvins vinäger och då sa nån till mig att den innehåller alkohol. Därför ville jag vara säker.

Umm Yamaan

Från: Seeker-of-Knowledge Skickat: 2008-02-18 09:48
Bismillaah, wa allhamdulillaah wa salaatu wa salaamu 'alaa rasoolilaah wa ba'd;

Jag kom över denna text på www.salafitalk.net, och fann den väldigt lärorik Ma sha Allaah. Det handlar inte om Vinäger direkt men talar om 'processen' i liknande syfte/exempel.
Wa Allaahu 'alem

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Asalaamu 'alaikum wa rahmathullaahi wa barakaathuhu

The following was posted on the Yahoo email group: West London Da'wah, which may be what was being referred to earlier in this thread:

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Bismillahi wa salaatu wa salaamu 'alaa rasulillah,

(Taken entirely from a dars given by Sh. Muhammad Bazmool, translated by Moosa Richardson and a fatwa given by Sh. al-Albaani)

Istihala is when something becomes pure. It was najis (impure) but it is now taahir (pure). A good example would be maitah (animal carcass): it is najis, but should it be burned and become ashes, or decompose and become earth, then it is taahir, it is no longer najis. This can happen with dung or feces or whatever. Whenever something changes from one property to another, then the ruling likewise changes.

Example: Let us say that someone uses the fat of a dead animal to make soap. That fat is najis, but the chemical change that it was put through makes it taahir.

Ibn Hazm put it concisely when he said,

"Ruling upon an object is upon what it is named (what it is), if the name (what it is) changes then so does the ruling."

He also mentioned in his book of fiqh, Al-Muhalla: "If the quality of the substance of naturally impure objects changes the name which was given to it so that it is no more applicable to it and it is given a new name which is given to a pure object, so it is no more an impure thing. It becomes a new object, with a new rule."

Meaning that if the natural composition of a substance changes to another substance of a different composition, so much so that you can no longer call the new substance by the name of what it was-- ruling upon that substance changes too.

Proof/Example 1:

The companions (radyallahu anhum) used to eat a cheese that came from the land of the disbelievers. In that cheese was a part of the calf which was slaughtered by the disbelievers in a way that is not in accordance with Islaam. The companions knew this, but they also knew that the prohibition was upon the calf, what is directly from the calf, and what could be properly called part of the calf; the ruling is not upon that which you cannot identify as part of the calf nor is it called any longer such-and-such part of the calf. This is called istihala.

Proof/Example 2:

Another proof from the Sunnah: The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) forbade making vinegar out of wine, but he said that if you should come across vinegar that has been made from wine then it is halaal.

Why?

The ruling is upon what the object is, and not what it was. Wine is haraam; vinegar is not, and before the wine became an intoxicant, it was halaal. Why? Because it was fruit before that.

Proof/Example 3:

Allah says in the Qur'an:

"And surely there is a lesson for you in the cattle we give you to drink of what is in their bellies from between the feces and blood, pure milk, wholesome to those who drink it." (16:66)

Allah is putting forth an example for us of how something pure can come from something impure.

And we can also use as proof something that we've already gone over. The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said that when the hide of maitah (the carrion) is tanned, then it is taahir. He (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) gave us a method to purify something which was first impure.

Let us examine things we are familiar with: mono and diglycerides, whey, gluten, emulsifiers, gelatin, and whatever else is on the international haraam list. These by-products sometimes come from animals, pigs even, in which case the ruling on the initial substances is that they are haraam. But the initial substances (e.g. fat, marrow, cartilage, etc.) are put through chemical change so that you no longer can even call it "pig fat" or "animal bone" or "skin" or "cartilage", etc. because it is no longer that, hence it is taahir, it is halaal.

What is gelatin? As Oxford dictionary of science defines: "A colorless or pale yellow, water-soluble protein obtained by boiling collagen with water and evaporating the solution. It melts when water is added and dissolves in hot water to form a solution that sets to a gel on cooling." (page 290)

Is this a chemical change or is this not a chemical change? Is it protein any longer? No, it is not.

You are in disbelief so you ask, "But how can it be halaal when it came from something haraam?"

Because of the proofs mentioned above, the ruling is not based upon what it was, the ruling is based upon what it is. A Hanafi scholar, Ibn Abedin gave the example: "the swine which drowns in a salt lake and decomposes and becomes salt itself, is now halaal."

And other Hanafi scholars go on to say: "salt is different from meat and bones. If they become salt, they are salt."

To take the salt example further: salt consists of sodium chloride (NaCl) when together they are the halaal food known as salt, when separated they make up two poisonous substances which are then haraam for consumption.

The ahnaaf (Hanafis) also use as an example the human semen, saying that it is najis, then when it inseminates the egg and becomes a blood clot it is still najis, but when it becomes flesh it is no longer najis. And the ahnaaf are not the only ones who take this position.

The examples are numerous and they extend beyond food: Yesterday a man was kaafir and going towards Hell, today he is Muslim, so what is the ruling upon him? It is based upon what he is today.

We must be careful when we call things haraam because it is a form of thulm (oppression). Scholars have said that it is worse that you make something halaal to haraam rather than making something haraam to halaal. This deen Allah has made yusr (easy) let us not make it 'usr (hard). Wallahu 'Alim.

Rasheed Abdullaah




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Från: Umm_Amatillaah Skickat: 2008-04-11 14:08
Domen för vinäger
Författare: Imâm Muslim bin al-Hadjdjâdj an-Nîsâbûrî

1983 - Yahyâ bin Yahyâ berättade för oss: ´Abdur-Rahmân bin Mahdî underrättade oss, från Sufyân, från as-Suddî, från Yahyâ bin ´Abbâd, från Anas som berättade att profeten (sallâ Allâhu ´alayhi wa sallam) blev frågad om alkohol som görs till vinäger. Han svarade:

“Nej.”

FÖRKLARING

Detta är ash-Shâfi´îs och majoritetens bevis för att det är förbjudet att göra alkohol till vinäger och att alkoholen inte blir ren av att ha blivit till vinäger genom insatt bröd, lök, jäst eller någonting annat. Alkoholen förblir alltså oren samtidigt som den smutsar ned allt som läggs in i den. Denna vinäger kommer aldrig att bli ren, oavsett om den skulle tvättas eller behandlas på ett annat sätt.

Men om man skulle flytta på den från solen till skuggan eller tvärtom, så har våra kollegor - Shâfi´iyyah - två åsikter i frågan:

Den första och mest korrekta: Den blir ren till skillnad från vinägern som har tillsats någonting. Detta är ash-Shâfi´îs, Ahmads och majoritetens åsikt. al-Awzâ´î, al-Layth och Abû Hanîfah sade:

“Den blir ren.”

Det har rapporterats tre olika åsikter från Mâlik:

Den mest korrekta tillskivningen till honom: Att göra alkohol till vinäger är förbjudet. Den som gör det har handlat olydigt, men vätskan är ren.

Den andra: Det är förbjudet och ej rent.

Den tredje: Det är tillåtet och rent.

De är dock enade om att alkoholen som blir till vinäger av sig själv är ren. Det har sagts att Sahnûn al-Mâlikî sade att den inte alls blir ren. Om det verkligen stämmer att han sade det, är han överväldig av en tidigare samstämmighet - och Allâh vet bättre.

Källa: al-Musnad as-Sahîh (1983)
Förklaring: Imâm Yahyâ bin Sharaf an-Nawawî
Källa: Sharh Sahîh Muslim (13/130)

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